17:12:01	 From Yurii Sheliazhenko : Greetings from Kyiv, from Ukrainian Pacifist Movement, http://pacifism.org.ua

17:39:52	 From michaeldittmar : question .. may be humans are neither good or evil but they are kind of an error of evolution?
17:40:44	 From Denise Erb : on people being good: "Humankind" by Rutger Bregman (Deutsch: "Im Grunde gut")
17:43:40	 From Jacek Turnau : The Goodness Paradox: The Strange Relationship Between Virtue and Violence in Human Evolution is a book by British primatologist Richard Wrangham.[1][2][3]
17:44:28	 From Jacek Turnau : According to paleoanthropologist John D. Hawks, Wrangham follows scholars including Kenneth A. Dodge in dividing human aggression into two types. The first type, "reactive aggression", is when individuals attack in response to provocation. The second type, "proactive aggression", is planned, premeditated, and involves deliberate tactical strikes.[4]
17:56:23	 From michaeldittmar : in case https://thebulletin.org/doomsday-clock/current-time/   yesterday the clock was moved closer 90sec..A time of unprecedented danger:
It is 90 seconds to midnight
2023 Doomsday Clock Statement
Science and Security Board
Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists
Editor, John Mecklin
January 24, 2023
18:01:06	 From Olaf Goldbeck : https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/news/russische-armee-nimmt-kleinstadt-slawutytsch-ein-li.219035
118:19:57	 From Yurii Sheliazhenko : I don't think that Einstein's inconsistencies in pacifist position were pragmatic. Rather he made a mistake and Hiroshima, Nagasaki tragedy is result of this mistake.
18:21:35	 From michaeldittmar : well Yurii, here i disagree. the use of nuclear weapons was evil .. Einstein and Russell tried everything against building the bomb
18:23:22	 From michaeldittmar : so to say USA leaders did not hesitate to use the bomb in order to create their world order!
18:23:51	 From Yurii Sheliazhenko : Yes, this was attempt to correct mistake. But development of the Bomb was a mistake. And current danger of nuclear war, pragmatically speaking, is ultimate end of the idea that sometimes war is justified
18:24:11	 From michaeldittmar : what if we start with the assumption that all owners of nuclear weapons are potential psychopaths
18:25:54	 From michaeldittmar : sorry i soon have to leave .. looking forward for a continuation of this exchange ..
18:27:10	 From michaeldittmar : what about extinctions of north american tribes?
18:27:39	 From michaeldittmar : done by so called civilised people?
18:38:50	 From michaeldittmar : bye have to leave hope we continue this discussion next time.
19:17:05	 From Yurii Sheliazhenko : Russia-Ukraine conflict escalation story is more complicated than "they attacked first" narrative on both sides https://worldbeyondwar.org/a-graphic-history-of-ukraine-and-the-current-conflict/
19:19:24	 From Sonja Brentjes : Olaf - Ihre Referenz zu dem Krankenhaus etc. ist umstritten; damit reicht es nicht aus als Argument gegen Hintergrundinformation; dasselbe betrifft die Nato-Legitimation für den Kosovokrieg, wo heute klar zu sein scheint, dass Teile der Behauptungen z. B. von J. Fischer Lügen waren.
19:19:58	 From Yurii Sheliazhenko : I like what Josef said but I am not anarchist, but proponent of nonviolent governance
19:21:38	 From Chuck Johnson, IPPNW : I am glad that I heard at least these last arguments and am sorry to have not been able to join you until late.  Thank you all for this brave discussion.